Will the real Jesus please stand up?

Some of the commentary on my previous post, "Kingdom Coolness", reminded me of a poem by British author Steve Turner

How to hide Jesus


There are people after Jesus.

They have seen the signs.
Quick, let’s hide Him.
Let’s think; carpenter,
fishermen’s friend,
disturber of religious comfort.
Let’s award Him a degree in theology,
a purple cassock
and a position of respect.
They’ll never think of looking here.
Let’s think;
His dialect may betray Him,
His tongue is of the masses.
Let’s teach Him Latin
and seventeenth century English,
they’ll never think of listening in.
Let’s think;
humble,
Man of Sorrows,
nowhere to lay His head.
We’ll build a house for Him,
somewhere away from the poor.
We’ll fill it with brass and silence.
It’s sure to throw them off.

There are people after Jesus.
Quick, let’s hide Him.

This poem was written in the 1970's.  The coolness movement might call for some updates to this poem, but in deference to Steve and my need for sleep, I'll pass on attempting that myself.  You get the idea.

I do want to re-emphasize however that I'm not saying that the coolness stuff is all bad.  Much of it is quite good and I am grateful for it.  I just think we'd all agree that we need to be careful, to not let our packaging of Jesus get in the way of who He really is and how He may peronally want to confront us and the cultures we live in.

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Robb Schmidgall
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paintings
Reply #7 on : Thu July 02, 2009, 08:15:03
Jim,

Unrelated to the topic, but I corresponded with you a while back about buying a painting from one of your students. I still want to do that very much. Please send me an email and let me know the possibilities of doing this.

Robb
Greg G.
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Relevance
Reply #6 on : Mon May 11, 2009, 10:28:32
I've just heard of a book by a man named Os Guiness called "Prophetic Untimeliness". Apparently, it's about the American church's preoccupation with relevance and how this is destroying our ability to stay close to the gospel. I'd be interested to hear from anyone on a review of this book if they have read it.

1Cor 3:10-15 is a blistering indictment about cultural relevance and remaining true to the gospel. We must be careful about what we build upon the foundation of the church (Christ Himself)with or risk destroying the church.
Marie
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coolness2
Reply #5 on : Fri May 08, 2009, 18:30:56
At some point, let's face it, as we make a commitment to the word of God, as we risk all for God, we're going to be very un-cool!
Greg G.
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How much is too much?
Reply #4 on : Wed May 06, 2009, 11:00:27
So Jim, how culturally sensitive should the church be? What do you see are sound rules of thumb that you think believers need to think about when engaging the culture around them?

People (Christians) can't help but be affected by their culture. You're a product of American culture, no matter how long you've lived in Thailand (even though you and your family are adapting). We all bring our culture with us. We bring it to the study of scripture as well, though there are some techniques that can help us as we study to at least make our cultural biases more visible to us.

You know, it's funny, as I was sitting here writing, I just thought about how there have been some arguments that I've read about the need to hear from other cultural perspectives in regard to Christian Theology. Sometimes, it seems that there is almost a sense that these other "perspectives" are purer. As if Americans don't have a clue about Christianity and we need to really "get it together" by listening to other Christians from other cultures in order to change. There is a little truth to that actually, but my point is that none of us, no matter the cultural perspective, escapes some sort of sinful bias that taints our ability to see Jesus and to know the truth of the scriptures. The fact that any of us knows anything of Jesus and can even try to tell others of Him is by His grace to us!!! Paul says himself that "...we look through a glass dimmly..." and "...we know in part...". I think that could relate to our sinfulness and this sinful world-system that affects our ability to fully know Jesus. Not only that, but now is not the time to fully know Jesus. There will come a time when we will fully know Jesus (as best as non-sinfulcreated human beings can). Until then, this particular age is affected by sin and keeps us from being able to truly reflect the real Jesus. One day it will happen, but until then, we need to our best, with the power of the Holy Spirit.
Bill
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selling out to reach the masses?
Reply #3 on : Tue May 05, 2009, 19:04:06
I get the whole thing about being culturally relevant in order to reach people. The Apostle Paul practiced this when he used an "unknown god" in Athens to tell folks about Jesus.

The problem is that we act like the world and not like Jesus. Our churches are full of hypocrisy, envy, deceit, greed. We're more concerned about forcing people to obey our morality through the use of political power than we are about becoming friends with them in an effort to help them move toward God. We're more concerned with behavior than the heart. We're more worried that our rights are being taken away by the "liberals" than we are about seeking justice for the truly oppressed. We offer Jesus the praise of our lips, but not the praise of our hearts.

The thing that's so compelling about Jesus is the fact that he's so DIFFERENT. One way that he is different is the fact that he didn't try to win the masses. While it's true that he often had a large crowd following him around, he really just concentrated on a few people. He wasn't trying to start a mass movement but was instead planting a church that would reach the world. I think this is where a lot of contemporary churches get it wrong. Some "dumb down" the good news or try to make Jesus "cool" in an effort to reach masses of people when they should probably focus on training disciples instead.
Greg G.
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Hiding Jesus
Reply #2 on : Tue May 05, 2009, 12:01:26
Jim, I think you're right. The world is confused enough about Jesus without us adding to the confusion. I think our emphasis on "packaging" shows the church's own confusion, sadly enough. The analogy that Paul uses about Jesus being the head and us being the body in 1 Corinthians should at least give us a clue about what the church should look like and be about. Yet, we live in a world where cultural representation is important. I'm sure that worship music, for instance, is much more accepted in more of a Thia cultural expression, to some extent than if it was souther gospel hymns or Gregorian chant or black gospel.

Do you remember Jim when I used to come to you talking about creating Christian House-Music back in the late 80's - early 90's, and then Scott Blackwell came on the scene? I remember when Christian Hip-Hop was far-fetched, and now sometimes I can't tell the difference between the Christian rappers and those from the world! Talk about hiding Jesus!!
Roy Bessell
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Re: Will the real Jesus please stand up?
Reply #1 on : Sun May 03, 2009, 18:15:46
Hmmm! "Build a house for him, somewhere away from the poor." I am reminded of the gilded temples like the one at Doi Saket. Are we really no different? I would like to believe that it is not true of all of us who call ourselves Christian.